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and basically said that their real oath is to america and not to a washington loppiest named grover norquist. >> it's actually true. some republicans have signaled a willingness to buck grover norquist and his anti-tax pledge and raise some new revenue. "the wall street journal" weighed in with a reasonable argument. president obama's re-election means the taxes for upper income earners are going up one way or another. speaker john boehner deserves some leeway to try to mitigate the damage by negotiating a larger tax reform. leeway to negotiate sounds pretty sane to me. for some, of course, that's a great big lump of coal wrapped up as an early christmas present. >> revenue that happens to be the democratic code word for tax increases. that is simply not an acceptable position for any true conservative. republicans were not elected to rubber stamp obama's agenda. >> seems some news personalities may be taking a tax increase on the highest earners somewhat personally. anyway, republicans didn't win the white house or the senate. i wonder what other conservatives have to say about that. >> the
to see old friends and distant relatives. >> i'm making a pledge to my friend grover norquist. you're in "the cycle," and you have my word it's going to be good. >>> the case against ambassador susan rice as a successor to hillary clinton deepens. she went to the hill today to smooth it over with senators mccain, ayotte and graham who criticized her original comments on the deadly benghazi attacks. i picture the conversation between the president and rice going like this. we want you as secretary of state, so go make nice. answer their questions so they stop attacking you and threatening to block your possible nomination. yeah, so how did that work out? >> we are significantly troubled by many of the answers that we got and some that we didn't get. it is clear that the information that she gave the american public was incorrect. >> bottom line, i'm more disturbed now than i was before with a little bit of inquiry and curiosity, i think it would be pretty clear that to explain this episode as related to a video that created a mob that turned into a riot was far afield. if you can do
the wealthy. >> time to make the tax rates more progressive. >> that's just silly. >> grover norquist, he wanted ground government in the bathtub. i hope he slips in there with it. >> medicaid, social security. >> this is not part of the conversation. we're not going to raid social security. just another fight in washington. >> there's going to be blood and hair and eyeballs all over the floor. >> i'm more positive thap most. >> if not, we go off the supposed cliff. >> the fiscal cliff or slope. the bump of various height. >> it's going to sell that fiscal cliff. >>> thelma and louise might need to make room in the car for the president of the united states. at the white house today, senior obama administration officials met with liberal leaders and union officials. "the washington post" reports that one told him after the meeting, quote, would the white house go off the cliff if it's between that and compromising their core principles? i was left with the impression that they would. illinois democratic senator dick durbin spoke today at the liberal center for american progress where he s
mitchell live in washington. congress is back. grover norquist's tax pledge could be history. and all eyes are now focusing on house republicans as talks to avoid going over that so-called fiscal cliff are picking up steam. joining me now, mark halperin, senior political analyst for "time" and msnbc and ruth marcus, columnist and editorial writer for the "washington post." to you, mark, what is your read about what we've been hearing the last couple of days about grover norquist, the pledge and how much running room the speaker does have to b negotiating a deal. >> i did a spit take with my fruity pebbles watching "morning joe" because eric cantor's tone was unlike anything i've ever heard. his office is saying oh, no, he's against raising marginal rates, but it's clear that in the scheme of things, the biggest piece is does john boehner have enough running room to strike a deal involving some new revenue. i still am of the belief that the vote in the house, which will be a cliff hanger no matter what happens amongst the leaders in the white house, it will be a tough vote. i think it will
the road to tout his tax plan. i will speak with lobbyist grover norquist and senator dick durbin about what hangs in the balance next. >>> a small town governor stood up to violence and vowed to keep fighting, but now her dead body has been found. her story when "ac 360" continues. >>> if you department get enough of campaign 2012, stay tuned. we learn that the president will push plan to raise taxes on income above a quarter million dollars a year. he'll be speaking friday at a factory in pennsylvania. some republicans are hinting to limiting deductions even if it means breaking the pledge that the lobbyist grover norquist has been lobbying against for years. joining us now to talk about it all, grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. grover, thanks very much for coming in. >> good to be with you. >> the trend we're seeing now from members of congress questioning or pushing back on the pledge. we've seen it before to a certain degree, but we're seeing a lot more of it i sense right now. there's a sense this movement is gaining some steam. is this just more of the same,
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's going to have to be some changes to entitlement reform. but grover norquist has been really the person pushing this no tax pledge, has been on our airwaves. he's been talking a lot about it. let's hear what he had to say about republicans who might break the pledge. >> no pledge taker has voted for a tax increase. they've had some people discussing impure thoughts on national television. the pledge is not for life. but everybody who signed the pledge, including peter king who tried to weasel out of it, shame on him as the new york sun said today, i hope his wife understands that commitments last a little longer than, than, than two years or something. >> and zoraida, there you have grover norquist -- >> weeks. >> -- of course, from the americans for tax reform throwing out some pretty strong political hyperbole. but the fact of the matter is, as you said, fiscal cliff, 35 days away, and as we've heard from a lot of economists, if congress can't fix this, then we're in a lot of trouble. we can be heading back into recession. >> mark preston live in washington, d.c. thank you for that. s
d.c. journal the hill." let's do a little refresher. who is grover norquist, talk to me about this pledge. it is not just about raising taxes, is it not? >> it is not just about raising taxes. this is a pledge that is spearheaded by activist grover norquist, a popular figure on the right and he basically is -- most members but not all members of congress on the republican side to sign this pledge which basically says they're not going to increase tax rates and also if they close deductions they would use that money to lower taxes in another area. after seeing republicans break, where they're saying, listen, we're willing to close tax loopholes to reduce the deficit, now we haven't yet seen that from congressional republican leaders, but we obviously are seeing it from prominent republicans you showed including senator graham and senator bob corker. >> question about two of those gentlemen here in a moment. cnn this morning talked to grover norquist, incumbents dare to break this pledge, dare to vote to raise taxes. the question was will he do it again? here's norquist. >> we w
they don't feel bound anymore by that americans for tax reform pledge that grover norquist pledge. most recently house majority leader eric cantor seemed to have a little wiggle room there. do you expect to see more republicans coming out here? >> the floodgates have certainly opened and i suspect we'll see more republicans talk about the need for resolution. we have a new cnn poll in the last 24 hours that show that if this is not resolved, that republicans will take a majority of the blame, and not president obama. so i think we will see more republicans start to break away from that pledge. but, on the other side, though, democrats are also going to have to come to the table, and do some compromise. we saw senate minority leader mitch mcconnell talk about it yesterday on the senate floor. see what he has to say. >> republicans have stepped out of our comfort zone, and yet we remain at an impasse. leading us to ask, why? because a vocal minority on the hard left continues to argue to leaders of their party from the president on down, that democrats in washington should do absolutely n
and what they define it as. grover norquist is having to defend himself after several prominent senate republicans indicated a willingness to break his famous pledge, arguing republicans who agree to tax hikes just like they did under president bush. >> it is important that the republicans don't have their fingerprints all over the murder weapon, their fingerprints all over a lousy budget deal with tax increases and no real spending, just as happened to republicans in 1990 which cost us the presidency in '92. >> "the wall street journal" defends norquist today writing, quote, the voters are smart enough to know that republicans who focus on mr. norquist are part of the problem. interesting calling out those republicans by the wall street editorial. norquist is a bit of a media creation. remember this. he's an easily digestible symbol of ideological purity. the people who actually police that purity are groups like the anti-tax, pro economic growth club for growth. it's barely been three weeks since senate republicans wrapped up another losing cycle where thanks to candidates like misso
, there's one obstacle standing between congress and compromise, grover norquist. for years, norquist has bullied lawmakers willing to put their oath of office or promise to serve constituents ahead of their pledge to this anti-tax zell lot. >> the washington democrats, every dollar that's ever been secured for anything is sacred. every dollar secured for anything is sacred. and they'll defend it to the death regardless of what it means for jobs, or the economy. >>> coming up here, the it's top economic adviser alan krueger. clashes in cairo today, more protests in tahrir square against egypt's president morsi. we'll have a live report. move over george clooney the on yan's kim junge un the sexiest man alive and beijing doesn't get the joke. good day, i'm andrea mitchell live in washington. no joke today on capitol hill. ambassador susan rice's attempt to clear the air with republicans over benghazi did not work as the white house had hoped. senators mccain, ayotte and graham say they have more questions than they had before rice's comments about benghazi. >> we are significantly troubled
're all getting this refresher course on grover norquist, though i was talking to john avalon yesterday and he said don't -- message to republicans, don't fear the grover. we know norquist is a lobbyist for years, he prevailed upon republicans, not signing -- not raising taxes by signing this pledge. no revenues whatsoever. moments ago, democrat chuck schume wear was on the senate f bidding grover norquist good riddance. watch this. >> grover norquist had a good run. it lasted far longer than 15 minutes but his trstringent vie make him an outliar now. it is not unlike ralph reed who steered the republican party too far right on social issues in the '90s and is hardly heard from anymore. >> is he, rick, spiking the football, maybe on the 5 yard line? is this a little too premature to be writing off the grover norquist here and the no new tax movement in the republican party? >> yes, i think it is too premature. grover norquist has become a convenient boogie man, merely because we have maybe hit a tipping point on tax increases and voters are starting to accept the idea that taxes have to
their antitax pledge to some extent to make a deal on the fiscal cliff. we're going to talk to grover norquist the man behind the tax pledge, whether his tax agreement may be out of date. bill: watch this story now, central kaj re, tahrir square, thousands of protestors back inside that square setting up tents over night, condemning the recent power grab by its new president. something the white house so far has failed to do, so should they? we'll debate that with bob and andrea. >> to assume this kind of pow iris unacceptable to the united states of america. then we can outline what actions can be taken, but first condemn it. or annuity over 10 or even 20 years? call imperial structured settlements. the experts at imperial can convert your long-term payout into a lump sum of cash today. bill: former florida governor jeb bush already generating a bit of buzz about 2016. he held a meeting with former staffers in washington right around the corner from the white house, and the governor would not comment on the possibility of a presidential run, instead saying he was there to catch up with folks
that and the going gets rough that they have an argument with me. >> so that is grover norquist if you don't already know. you probably should because he is making a lot of tv appearances. that was piers morgan tonight -- last night. >>> his group, american for tax reform is behind that no-tax pledge that's signed by the majority of republicans in congress. but now a few high-profile members of the gop are openingly questioning their pledge and saying it may stand in the way of getting a fiscal cliff deal done. that's one side of the equation. in exchange, those republicans say, look, we'll back down. but not if we don't get something for it. we want some entitlement reform. here are the big three entitlements -- social security, medicaid, and medicare, combined they make up 43% of federal spending last year. joining me is john avalon, cnn contributor, senior political columnist for "newsweek" and "the daily beast. "and all around very smart person. you have a column out about this. it's great reading. a lot of math in it. tons of math. >> i was told there would be no math, but there's math. >> a ch
out again grover norquist and any kind of notion of a pledge or being held to a lobbyist as opposed to the american people. on the left you have some progressives who are concerned that too many concessions will be made with social security, medicare entitlements. let me play what david plouffe recently said that caught the attention of some on the left, and they're concerned. >> i think what we need to do and the president believes this is let's go for the big deal. the only way that gets done is for republicans, again, to step back and get mercilessly criticized by grover norquist on the right, and it means democrats have to do tough things on spending and entitlements that they get criticized by the left. >> before you respond to plouffe, let me play what congressman peter defazio said on "news nation" when he was our guest yesterday. >> i'm not going for a bad deal, and i think there's a quite a few for a bad deal. social security didn't cause the deficit. we don't need to cut social security to solve the problem. >> congressman defazio and a few others say let's go over the cli
at this morning's dish of scrambled politics. grover norquist, the man behind the anti-tax pledge, signed by a number of republicans over the years, could be losing even more support. georgia senator saxby chambliss tells a georgia tv station he's considering breaking the promise in order to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff. >>> and they are not the only ones trying to avoid the cliff. many major league baseball free agents are trying to get their money up front in 2012 to avoid tax increases. >>> well, the idea of selling designer merchandise on president obama's campaign website was mocked by some but the campaign is having the last laugh. bloomberg businessweek reports the idea by vogue editor anna wi wintor brought in more than $40 million. >>> meantime, the obama campaign is still fuming over some of the polls that got it wrong leading up to election day. the editor in chief for gallop whiched so mitt romney with a bigger lead admits gallup might have overestimated the get-out-the-oat efforts. >>> it's time for a geography quiz. put on your thinking caps. what is the name of this cou
it. >> that pledge was written by grover norquist and his group americans for tax reform. norquist talked about this on cnn's "the situation room." >> the commitment he made to the people of georgia was not to me. it was a written commitment to the people of georgia that he would go to washington to reduce government spending and reform government, not raise taxes. if he wants to change his mind and become a tax increaser, so we don't have to reform government, he needs to have that conversation with the people of georgia. >> we've got 38 days before we go over that cliff. if there's no deal before the end of the year, taxes will go up for every american. >>> amid fears the cease-fire between israel and hamas and gaza won't last long, we found one place that is a zone of peace. where victims most importantly children from both sides of the border can find some common ground. [ male announcer ] what are happy kids made of? bikes and balloons, and noodles on spoons. a kite, a breeze, a dunk of grilled cheese. catches and throws, and spaghettio's. a wand, some wings, soup with good th
to stop letting grover norquist and his pledge hold our economy hostage. and the great thing that we have seen in the last few days is that some republicans are finally saying, guess what? i'm actually going to put the country first instead of some pledge i took 20 years ago, for example, senator saxby chambliss from georgia has said that. he's going to put the country first. more republicans need to put the country first and understand that on the election the american people spoke very loud and clear when they said we support the president's decision to make sure that the wealthiest are paying what they can afford and to protect the middle class and to protect social security, medicare and medicaid. heather: jeff few, you're going to be -- jehmu, you're going to be shocked, but i think grover is over too. what is the deal with this guy? he should not be running washington. he is part of the problem, and we do need to find a way to work together. there is going to be some sort of negotiation. i think the big question is, what is rich? what needs to happen? we don't want to put a strangle
it. we have a breakfast next wednesday, bob woodward and senator marco rubio, grover norquist, thank you. [applause] ♪ >> the u.s. senate dabbles in today about an hour from now at 10:00 eastern and today they will continue working on legislation dealing with equal rights for persons with disabilities. majority ritter harry reid hopes the senate to work, 2013 defense program. off of the 4 u.s. ambassador susan rice meet with republican senators discussing the september attack on the consulate in benghazi, libya and she will talk with susan collins and senator bob corker. yesterday she sat down with senator mccain, gramm and ayat. senator mccain told reporters the information she gave the american people was incorrect, but a spontaneous demonstration triggered by hateful video. it was not and there was compelling evidence that the time that was certainly not the case. the house transportation and infrastructure committee is holding at hearing on amtrak's restructuring plans. the committee will hear from the inspector general and amtrak's president and representative from the united
about breaking grover norquist's anti-tax pledge. you call him a genial man who has dangerously loopy ideas. >> let them say that about me. >> well, you know, he kind of -- that's kind of what i think about grover. and he says nobody is caving on the pledge, but, you know, spidery cracks are appealing in the ceiling. look, i think that would be a good thing. what would be really good. you were just talking to senator durbin. what would be really good is if this sort of bland smoke, frankly, senator durbin's a friend of mine. but this bland smoke we're hearing on entitlements from democrats and taxes from republicans, if -- behind closed doors they're able to talk more specifically. i think this is what represents, actually, some kind of progress and i'm starting to feel a bit more hopeful than i was a few weeks ago that maybe we're going to start to get somewhere. >> yeah. maybe. i don't know. >> do we still have senator durbin with us? >> yes, i'm still here. >> i don't think he's run away. >> senator durbin, can you talk about putting medicaid to the side, social security to the sid
, grover norquist saying there's no tax pledge. here's a little bit about what we got. a taste of this weekend. listen. >> times have changed significantly, and i care more about this country than i do about a 20-year-old pledge. i think we owe the debt, and we to figure out a way to pay it. >> i agree entirely with saxby chambliss. a pledge you signed 18 years ago is for that congress. if i were in congress in 1841, would i have signed a declaration of war against japan. the wourld has changed, and the economic situation is different. >>> there's a lot that has been said about this pledge, and i will tell you when i go to the constituents that have re-elected me, it is not about that pledge. it really is about trying to solve problems. >> all right, dan. you got all these republicans who are basically reversing themselves. what is the white house thinking about all of this? the president? does he feel like now it strengthens his hands going into these negotiations, the next phase? >> you know, the white house would certainly be uncourage bid this. as you know, the republicans
the political risks that come with it. the "no new taxes" pledge is the brainchild of grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform. >> what the pledge does, of course, allows elected officials to make it clear openly to the american voters where they stand. >> reporter: norquist may not be a household name outside the belt kwai, but here in washington he carries significant weight as evidenced by the hundreds of republican lawmakers who have signed his pledge over the years. even as top republicans signal they are willing to compromise there is still a catch. the white house indicated everything is part of the discussion. >> all three legs of this will have to be part of it. >> reporter: president obama has tapped treasury secretary tim geithner to lead negotiations on these fiscal cliff talks. rob and paula, back to you. >> both sides are going to have to give a little. both sides. should be interesting. the president now trying to make a public push. he's meeting with business leaders to try to sell this plan. the white house warning closer and closer, the average family will pay $2,
. grover norquist is here tomorrow. these are your pals. and. >> i hang with an interesting bunch. >> first time is it fun? and secondly, am i wrong wear and -- i agree with a lot of where michel is trying to take this but i'm also one come as a realist used to work for richard nixon, look at the world as it is not as i hope it might be, and i guess my question is to you, or you believe given the people that you know that there's a chance for strategic response to these things as opposed to reactive response? because of their inability to get along with the guys in the white house, and gals. >> we just don't get along but that's been true for a long time so how do you get that? we have to go back to a different kind of leadership, a kindly and with ronald reagan, with bill clinton were presidential leadership meant here is what america needs. i will send this bill, say, to the congress that we need to do this. what that does for the congress is against them air cover. they can say we don't want to do this. but the president -- >> maybe obama ought to make bill clinton a fiscal cliff envoy.
come up frequently in the last week is grover norquist. eugene robinson writing perhaps an optimistic op-ed yesterday that says maybe the fever is breaking, maybe the delirrium is lifting. maybe republicans are asking themselves what were we thinking when we put an ya surds l unrealistic pledge to a lobbyist in washington. this comes on the heels of a few saying they might be open to tax. >> [ inaudible ] there's also, you know, the republican study committee and all of the kind of ideological mechanisms that have been pushing the republican party to the right. >> and the whole tea party. >> the tea party. >> and wealthy people. >> so that's the key here. for me what's interesting about this, this is a probe into the ceo's soul. if you look at cnbc, the ceos are going like the apocalypse. >> december 21st. >> and what's interesting here is, is the business community, the chamber of commerce, which has real leverage over the republicans, going to back up that emotion and push them to cut a deal even if at the risk of giving something on high marginal tax rates or will they not? will th
of strength. the republicans would be free from their pledge to grover norquist about not raising taxes. and we would be talking about who is going to get some tax relief -- middle-class families, you know, people with children, and other targeted cuts, and the republicans could say, gee, i wanted to give the rich a tax break but we just couldn't get there. but, hey, we helped ow 98% of the people in america. i think we'd be barg frng strength. i'm very worried that we're getting back to where we were two years ago where the president was put in a box or a year ago when the president got put in a box over the republicans threatening to defall on our debt. we need to bargain from a stronger position and going over this bump in the road would give us that. >> as you know, there are a lot of people who would disagree with you about that, not just about the financial numbers per se, say the $200 billion the president is talking act next year, but also from a psychological standpoint. we've already seen wall street reacting in a negative way, concerned exactly about what would happen if a de
. >> brian: norquist is the bad guy. you should walk away from grover norquest. he said you have enough money on capitol hill and stop asking us . he's been a watch dog on our money so whether you are democrat or republican you should salute him. he warned you in the past that people who walked away from the no new taxes paid a price. >> remember the gang of 6. three of the people that you mentioned spent eight months in the room with democrats, pretending to negotiate tax increases for entitlement reform . after a while coburn had to admit they were offered nothing but tax increases. the president's budget is tax increases and president's negotiation is nothing but tax increases. >> gretchen: republicans need to hire good pr firms to get the message out. you will not go for tax increases unless the democrats go for cuts. >> brian: the president may not have control of his caucus. secret police files using as confetti in the macy's thanksgiving pallad. we will show share how it happened. >> steve: want to see where our economy is going. look back to 1937 and franklin roosevelt and stewart var
americans signed onto the grover norquist pledge never to quote for a tax hike, closing tax loopholes. speaker boehner says i'm willing to break it and do the latter on deductions and exemptions and saxby chambliss the senator said it's time to ditch grover and his pledge, is it? >> all bets are off. i mean, listen, we're in a mess and all bets are off and we shouldn't be held to political organizations that are influencing our elections in terms of getting this mess taken care of, but you know, listen, i have a novel idea for the president. why doesn't he public size an itemized list of his spending cuts he's prepared to put on the table before asking american people to pay taxes. i mean, it's simple. when you have a credit card debt and you don't ask other people to pay for it or you don't borrow money to pay the interest on it, you make hard choices on your discretionary spending from a weekly basis or a monthly basis, this is just a business that's been run poorly and it's-- >> would you agree the president doesn't have a terribly good track record when it comes for proposals for
with the influential anti-tax advocate grover norquist. he has asked them to oppose tax increases and oppose any net reduction or elimination of deductions or credits unless matched dollar for dollar by further reducing tax rates. the republican senatoor chamblis says he has a job to do for the american people, not grover norqui norquist. what's your reaction to this, these are pretty strong words? >>> a little confusing. one, of course the commitment he made to the people of georgia was not to me, it was a written commitment to the people of georgia that he would go to washington to reduce government spending and reform government, not raise taxes. if he wants to change his mind and become a tax increaser so we don't have to reform government, he needs to have that conversation with the people of georgia. he then talks about my plan to increase debt or something. the only plan that i think i've supported is the paul ryan bill, which reduces the deficit, brings down the debt, doesn't raise taxes, and it's a plan that mr. chambliss voted for. so i think they caught im, and he said things that didn't
chambliss is taking aim at tax reformist grover norquist. why the senator may back out of his pledge not to raise taxes. plus, house majority leader john boehner sounding more and more like republicans won't be easily won over during tax talks. the mering fiscal cliff next. >>> and it was a normal thanksgiving morning until this multi-car wreck. how some 100 cars collided in texas. >> it was just a kmpl seconds, chain reaction. crazy. flashed right before my eyes. i don't spend money on gasoline. i am probably going to the gas station about once a month. last time i was at a gas station was about...i would say... two months ago. i very rarely put gas in my chevy volt. i go to the gas station such a small amount that i forget how to put gas in my car. [ male announcer ] and it's not just these owners giving the volt high praise. volt received the j.d. power and associates appeal award two years in a row. ♪ throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multi-vitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. it has more of 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day
that they signed with grover norquist. people skeptical about a deal say what really matters is the house. the house is not showing that same level of flexibility, call it whatever you want. is that fair? are republicans in the house -- you're from oklahoma. obviously a red state. are you as resolute as you have always been? >> i am. here's the issue. the tax rate has never been the solution. there's a couple things to keep in mind here. one is obama care taxes kick in january 1st. there are three aspects to that fiscal cliff. the third aspect is the obama care taxes that are coming. there's a 3.8% increase on capital gains, on dividends, interest income for people making 200,000 or more. that's already coming. that's baked in the cake. what the president wants is an additional tax increase rate increase on the same group of people he's already put a rate increase on in january. we're pushing back saying they are taking a hit in january based on the obama care taxes. why talk about a double tax rate increase? second thing to remember in 2007 we spent a trillion dollars less than we spent
. overwork crystal be here tomorrow. these are your pals. -- grover norquist will be here tomorrow. first, is it fun? [laughter] and my role stocks i agree with a lot of wear my blistering to take us, but as a realist be used to work for richard nixon, look at the world as it is, as i hope it might be. do you believe, given the people you know, that there is a chance for a strategic response to these things? they are a response to respond because of their inability to get along because of the people in the white house. >> we don't get along, but that's been true for a long time. we would out to go back to a different kind of leadership, a kind we had with ronald reagan presidential leadership matt, here is what america needs. i will send this bill in to the congress saying we need to do this and what that does is congress is able to say, we do not want to do this. this is not my choice. >> maybe obama ought to make bill clinton is fiscal cliff envoy? >> i thought he did? >> this is important. to bridge that experience. first of all, veterans in leadership. secondly, i want to go back to t
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